Ron: The (idea? Concept? Abstraction?) of ‘happiness’ is of interest to me because I can’t define it and I have never dwelt on being ‘happy.’ What have Eastern and Western philosophers opined in this realm?
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Claude:
The Western line
Aristotle is the unavoidable anchor. His word eudaimonia — usually translated “happiness” but better rendered flourishing — names a life of excellent activity in accordance with virtue. It is not a feeling but a functioning: the way a fine instrument performs what it is built to do. You can’t be eudaimon in a single moment; it requires a complete life, well-lived. The subjective glow may or may not accompany it.
Epicurus is frequently caricatured as a hedonist, but he actually preached severe moderation. His target was ataraxia — undisturbedness of soul — and aponia — freedom from bodily pain. Bread, water, and a good conversation among friends came closer to his ideal than banquets. The enemy of happiness was anxiety, above all fear of death.
The Stoics (Marcus Aurelius, Epictetus, Seneca) made the sharpest claim: virtue is sufficient for happiness. External fortune — health, wealth, reputation — are merely preferred indifferents. Since you cannot control what happens but only how you hold it, happiness becomes entirely an interior act. Marcus sitting in his tent before battle could be, by this account, perfectly happy.
Kant issued a corrective: happiness matters, but it has no unconditional moral worth. A wicked person who is happy is not thereby doing well in any sense that counts. He proposed that the highest good (summum bonum) is happiness proportioned to virtue — but virtue comes first.
The Existentialists dissolved the category almost entirely. Sartre: existence precedes essence, so no given purpose or “natural” happiness awaits you. Camus: life is absurd, and the proper response is revolt — a defiant engagement that generates something closer to joy than comfort. “One must imagine Sisyphus happy.”
The Eastern line
Buddhism begins with dukkha — the pervasive unsatisfactoriness woven into conditioned existence — and traces it to tanha (craving and clinging). The path toward nirvana is not toward a pleasurable state but toward the extinguishing of the very engine that makes us grasp at states. The Dalai Lama’s contemporary writings translate this into something more accessible — compassion as the deepest form of happiness — but the classical insight is radical: the self that wants to be happy is itself the problem.
Daoism (Laozi, Zhuangzi) offers wu wei — effortless non-striving. Happiness is what arises when you stop fighting the grain of things. Zhuangzi’s famous butterfly dream dissolves the boundary between who is dreaming and who is happy; the question itself may be malformed.
Confucius grounds happiness in relationship and role. Joy comes from being fully the father, the friend, the teacher — not from inner states but from ren (benevolence, humaneness) expressed through li (ritual propriety). This is social eudaimonia: one flourishes in and through others.
Advaita Vedanta (Shankara; rooted in the Upanishads) takes the most radical position of all: ānanda (bliss) is not something you achieve but something you are at the deepest level, as pure awareness identical with Brahman. What obscures it is not bad luck but avidyā — fundamental ignorance of one’s own nature. The path is not pursuit but recognition.
Zen refuses the pursuit-frame entirely. To ask “how do I become happy?” is already to stand outside the present moment, treating happiness as an object across the room. Happiness — if that is even the right word — is the quality of full, unselfconscious engagement: washing the bowl, walking in rain.
What the traditions share
Despite their surface differences, nearly all these schools converge on three anti-intuitive claims:
- Happiness is not primarily a feeling. It is an orientation, a practice, a relationship to reality — feelings follow from it rather than constituting it.
- Pursuit is paradoxical. The more directly you chase happiness, the more it recedes. (Mill noticed this; so did Frankl.)
- The self is implicated. Almost every tradition suspects that the ordinary self — wanting, fearing, comparing — is the very obstacle to what it is seeking.
Your own observation that you have never “dwelt on being happy” fits remarkably well with Stoic, Daoist, and Zen sensibilities: perhaps you have been living the thing rather than chasing the concept.
Ron: I sense that some people dwell on being ‘happy’ or on pursuing ‘happiness’ because it is in their nature–to their potential detriment, I sense. How do you see the subject manifested in the 16 MBTI types and in the Enneagram?
Claude: Here is what I think is the deepest convergence, stated plainly:
All three frameworks — Vedānta, Bohm, Deleuze — are saying that the ordinary experience of being a bounded self pursuing happiness in a world of separate objects is a second-order phenomenon. It is real at its own level, the way a wave is real, but it is not the primary level of reality. Beneath it — or rather, as its very substance — there is an undivided ground: Brahman, the holomovement, the plane of immanence.
What the traditions call bliss, wholeness, or joy is simply what that ground feels like — or more precisely, what awareness is when it stops misidentifying itself as merely one of the waves and recognises itself as also the ocean.
The pursuit of happiness is, in this light, a wave frantically searching for water. (Ron added this emphasis).
Your constitutional disinterest in happiness as a pursuit is not a temperamental quirk. It may be the closest most waking lives come to what the Mandukya Upanishad calls turīya — the fourth state, the witnessing awareness that underlies and pervades waking, dreaming, and deep sleep without being reducible to any of them. Not a state to be achieved, but the ground already present beneath every state you have ever been in.
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